angleofscience | 001

[Jetfire apparently figured out the video-function of the journal very quickly, because that's what pops up; a view of someone white, obviously very large, and metal. As soon as he starts to speak, however, it's clear, for those of you who speak English, that he's not speaking that (or any other langauge mostly anyone here would recognize), so have a text translation.]

... This shouldn't even... ahh, right...

I'm finding the premise I'm supposed to accept rather improbable. The odds of even... ah, something divine having the time to construct a place of safety and then pluck someone... or even several, aren't even astronomical. I'd be generous if I said they were astronomical.

[Jetfire only has a faint frown on his faceplates, but his optics are narrowed and his voice heavy with disbelief. Amusingly enough, despite the science-oriented talk, the heavy blanket of disbelief lightens some on the word 'divine', even if there's a slight sigh accompanying it instead.]

Especially since even the assumption of a 'frozen-moment' would require unfreezing at any change of location, and thus even a pre-knowledge of the so-supposed "end" wouldn't be sufficient. Further, even with such a time window, that alloted time would soon run out.

[Does Jetfire enjoy science so much he wouldn't mind potentially talking to himself about it? Yes. He might also be slightly upset. Maybe.]

And since different universes would, by virtue of natural variation, obey slightly different rules, have slightly different outcomes... A single destructive event encompassing a possible multiverse... or even omniverse and completely wiping it all out is highly unlikely simply by virtue of these internal variations-- [The large, white robot seems to have run out of steam (so to speak) finally, as he drags a hand down his face.]

No matter what is actually going on... How and why am I over two-thirds shorter than I ought to be? [That should just not be possible.]

Also... [There's a deep, slow vent.]

If anyone else is here and has seen... or, ah, heard Starscream... Please inform me.

[There were many others he'd like to ask for, but, presently, this seemed to be the most... important. At least personally and for the general safety of any possible others.]

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[Jetfire has certainly not have it as bad that, so there would be sympathy if he knew, but it was a long time ago since he was in the Academy and got to only work towards, and with, science.]

Yes, exactly. And, currently, if all universes and related entities work on an expasion-based theory, with black materia pushing everything outwards, and not a contraction-based theory with gravitation as the force pulling all things inward, then whatever event supposedly destroyed everything would have to work against the natural force acting upon the universes...

[Jetfire trails off, optics narrowing as Megamind mentions the possible effects of everything being, in effect, 'squished together', and he almost answers that, too, because indeed the consequences... effects...]

Indeed it doesn't, since the ontological part simply tries to posit the oxymoron of 'destroyed, and now never existed', not explaining how this thing would be possible in the first place...

[Megamind going back to this had, barely, 'rescued' them from yet another train of thought, but the possibilities, truly!

He's still not sure he'd want you poking about his internals. Not that he couldn't lock anything from you that would be sensitive, but still.]

[Megamind automatically assumes black material = dark matter, and continues on with this.]

Precisely. My theories included the probability of expansion versus contraction and involved certain calculation involving dark matter – which I’m sure you know by definition does not interact with electromagnetic radiation; it’s not only dark [insert finger quotes here!] but also by definition, utterly transparent – but…there is limited tech here to work with, limited resources, and I am unable to come up with any concrete date to form facts as opposed to bouncing bloody theorems off walls.

That, and there is no sun here.

[Which…is a hindrance, when you think about it. And if there’s no sun that’s a pretty clear indication the sky is FAKE and there in some kind of BUBBLE and that means the night sky is not real, either.

Or at least, one can probably safely assume.]

It can’t possibly have never existed. We’re living proof that it did, at one time, exist. That little addendum to his note is complete and utter cockamamie.

[COME ON YOU CAN TRUST THIS FAAAAAAAAAACE]

[All other words fly right out as Megamind mentions that there is no sun. Sure, technically is completely possible in the case of rogue planets, but...]

No... sun? But there is still a day-night cycle?

[Because if there's an actual (simulation) of a day/night cycle, then a lot of things are simply fabricated. jetfire suddenly has the burning urge to just abandon the conversation and the journal and venture outside and see this for himself... and take a flight.

Something is wrong, and it's not just with these claims and their impossibility.]

Ah, yes. Unfortunately, if I understand it correctly, that's why it's claimed to be an 'ontological' cataclysm, I suppose. Philosophical and metaphysical discussion of the world around us, and in such a case, I suppose it would be possible to end up with 'never having existed', despite the fact that we're... still around.

[Jetfire sighs and shakes his helm.]

I'm uncertain. Philosophy was never something I went deeper into.

[SAID FACE IS BLUE AND HE DOESN'T KNOW YOU GOOD SIR. ONLY QUALIFIED MEDICS AND HIMSELF GETS TO POKE AROUND IN HERE!]

Edited 2011-10-13 16:43 (UTC)

Yes, everything still cycles through as if there was a sun, however.

There isn't one.

It's really rather perplexing, to be frank.

[More than perplexing. It's downright eerie.]

I read a bit of Plato and Aristotle when I was a boy, but it wasn't exactly my forte. I prefer hard science as opposed to discussions centered around existential crises.

... The only possibility I can see is an enclosed space for simulated reality. That would explain the a fabricated day/night cycle... It would just be a question of how big the... enclosure is.

[Jetfire frowns, immediately unsettled; flying was part of him, somehow being restricted in the space that he could do it in almost felt like physical restraints... and he hadn't even yet found a hypothetical "roof and walls".]

Human philosophers, I assume? And yes, precisely so. I have interested myself in patterns, both natural and social, but this is to some degree also based on observation, not... pure theorising. [Philosophy might be useful, but it just wasn't what Jetfire could claim an interest in.]

That's precisely what I was assuming, though I don't happen to have my hover bike here otherwise, I'd check.

[He eyes his journal.]

You don't happen to have flight capabilities, do you? [Hopeful, here.]

Yes, human. [He waves a hand.] Almost pseudo-science if you ask me, but there is some benefit into study in all aspects of the scientific world, I suppose.

[Jetfire smiles slightly at both the look and the hopeful question, holding up the journal and turning a bit, wordlessly showing part of his boosters and a wing.]

I do, in fact. It won't be much of a problem to find out if there is any physical, if unseen, boundary marking off what space is available. I am going flying either way.

And while I wouldn't, perhaps, call it psuedo-science, anything built merely on conjecture, discussion and outside observation of unobservable states, or internal processes isn't what I could ever claim be... easily ratified. [Jetfire shrugs, and this is why he mostly never went deeply either into philosophy or psychology.]

[Oh Zeus he can barely contain himself from squealing out loud.

A flight capable, speaking, sentient robotic organism, right here in his little Keep! Oh, how marvelous!

Yes, His Keep.]

You will keep me informed wont you? With any findings positive or negative? [OR TAKE HIM WITHT YOU SOMEHOW PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE]

No no – not entirely pseudoscience, only almost - but since it doesn’t really define itself as a science it doesn’t quite meet the criteria – but I agree with you regardless.

[As long as you keep those delusions in your mind about the Keep, nothing will happen, right?

Jetfire's smile widens a bit and he nods.]

Most assuredly. I'm uncertain what stresses your body can take, otherwise I could carry you; I don't think my alt form is large enough to carry a passenger any more, otherwise this could have been accomplished with you in the cockpit...

[Just don't go get any ideas.]

Well. I'd say it's considerably more than a normal humans, but I'd rather not test the theory out. [SOB. Oh how he wants to go, he misses his hoverbike like BURNING.]

But please. Do tell me your findings.

There's always time later... My scanners ought to be able to give me good readings of both yours and human physiology and it shouldn't be too hard to find out the limits of the stresses each are able to take, even if it would have to stay on a theoretical level.

[Jetfire pauses briefly, considering this idea; it might be useful either way, so there is no accidents (unrelated to any flying trips).]

I most assuredly will, yes.

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